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Post by tremembe on Jun 28, 2017 22:12:19 GMT -5
Im asking this because Im intrigued as to how and why these murders were talked about, perceived, debated in the decades that followed the actual murders in 1969.
1970s: no Internet
1980s: no Internet
1990s: no Internet until around ´96-´98
So, how and why (if at all) did people who were interested or intrigued by this case, did people discuss it?
Did this case suddenly get new input and information in the last 10 years?
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Post by valleygirl on Jun 28, 2017 23:06:56 GMT -5
I guess the 'go-to' for this pre-internet was VB's book Helter Skelter. For those wanting more, the library had all the old newspapers. I think now with the information highway the way it is, anyone can find out about it quickly and in great detail. There is way more information available on the case now than there was then, like photos and documents etc etc...all of which can be accessed easily. With the killers beginning their parole hearings, we have gathered further detail from them too.
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Post by prudence on Jun 29, 2017 6:34:06 GMT -5
And of course without the internet Miles W Mathis wouldn't have a means to spew to the masses what really happened on Aug 8-9, 1969.
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Post by imalreadydead on Jun 29, 2017 17:10:14 GMT -5
Documentaries and talk shows really kept people going and fascinated in the case, seems like the Family made a bunch of appearances on TV talk shows throughout this time especially the 80s.
Any fan clubs exist back then?
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Post by valleygirl on Jun 29, 2017 17:37:24 GMT -5
That's how i became aware of it, through a documentary. Not that i was allowed to watch it lol
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Post by Pixie on Jun 29, 2017 17:46:18 GMT -5
That's how i became aware of it, through a documentary. Not that i was allowed to watch it lol Which documentary weren't you were allowed to watch?  |
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Post by valleygirl on Jun 29, 2017 17:50:44 GMT -5
That's how i became aware of it, through a documentary. Not that i was allowed to watch it lol Which documentary weren't you were allowed to watch? Pixie i can't remember which one it was, i was only 9 or 10 at the time, but it had that picture of Sharon that was in VB's book - the full page one with her hair hanging down and the hoop earrings. I thought she was beautiful and wanted to know who she was! |
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Post by Pixie on Jun 29, 2017 18:10:35 GMT -5
There have been so many that it's hard to remember which one is which....
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Post by valleygirl on Jun 29, 2017 18:19:12 GMT -5
There have been so many that it's hard to remember which one is which.... Yeah totally, it must be about 15 years old the one i saw though. |
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Post by tremembe on Jun 30, 2017 12:25:44 GMT -5
I suppose its like anything else that is affected by the Internet: today, you have access to absolutely everything you could ever want about anything....and more.
I just wonder of the feeling´s of today´s people, based on how society and values have changed, is any more or less sensitive than that of 20-30-40 years ago?
Like, the crime-scene photos of this case have only been made public in the last 10 years, if Im not mistaken?
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Post by vickie on Jun 30, 2017 13:11:32 GMT -5
I suppose its like anything else that is affected by the Internet: today, you have access to absolutely everything you could ever want about anything....and more. I just wonder of the feeling´s of today´s people, based on how society and values have changed, is any more or less sensitive than that of 20-30-40 years ago? Like, the crime-scene photos of this case have only been made public in the last 10 years, if Im not mistaken? You know tremembe, I do feel we are exposed to so much more via the Internet today. We can become conditioned to seeing crime scenes. We can watch on television actual surgeries. We can see programs such as Dr G. Medical Examiner in which, through forensics she is able to solve mysterious causes of death. She performs autopsies on every episode! However, this case was so botched from the start. The police kicked evidence all over the place. They totally had no regard for securing the scene. Rarely are there this many famous people slaughtered at the same time. No others that I can recall. A pregnant movie star married to a world famous director. A rich heiress from a very well known, very wealthy family. A Hollywood famous hair stylist, a world traveler, he moved in circles of the most famous movie stars of that day. They were victims brutally slaughtered, overkilled viciously and absulutly terrorized prior to their ultimate deaths. Such heartless animals murdered them, as nasty as they come. There were so many unanswered questions too. It was like the Kennedy lone shooter and grassy knoll shooter theories. That mystery will forever be discussed as well. We never had our questions answered. So we will continue to question. No credible person was left alive that can answer all the unanswered questions. |
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Post by tremembe on Jun 30, 2017 13:38:22 GMT -5
You know tremembe, I do feel we are exposed to so much more via the Internet today. We can become conditioned to seeing crime scenes. We can watch on television actual surgeries. We can see programs such as Dr G. Medical Examiner in which, through forensics she is able to solve mysterious causes of death. She performs autopsies on every episode! However, this case was so botched from the start. The police kicked evidence all over the place. They totally had no regard for securing the scene. Rarely are there this many famous people slaughtered at the same time. No others that I can recall. A pregnant movie star married to a world famous director. A rich heiress from a very well known, very wealthy family. A Hollywood famous hair stylist, a world traveler, he moved in circles of the most famous movie stars of that day. They were victims brutally slaughtered, overkilled viciously and absulutly terrorized prior to their ultimate deaths. Such heartless animals murdered them, as nasty as they come. There were so many unanswered questions too. It was like the Kennedy lone shooter and grassy knoll shooter theories. That mystery will forever be discussed as well. We never had our questions answered. So we will continue to question. No credible person was left alive that can answer all the unanswered questions. Which is probably a major reason why there are so many questions unanswered, theories abounding and tangents this case goes off at... Personally, when I first got ´into´ this crime it was via a bi-weekly or monthly (I forget), magazine in the late 1980s about true-crime...because there were few books about it. All I could remember from it back then was the photos of the sofa/blood-soaked carpet and the scrawlings of blood on the walls and doors and it´s relation to The Beatles (and thinking ´that´s cool but weird - wonder what that´s all about?´)....and for some reason, the only death that struck me as being particulaly horrible was Sharon Tate´s. If my memory serves, the magazine (debatedly) stated she was hanged and then stabbed multiple times. And I thought ´well that´s fcuked-up - a pregnant woman´Other than that, and my random visit to Cielo Dr a couple of years later, I´d all but forgotton about the case until the Internet came along! |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Jun 30, 2017 14:46:47 GMT -5
And of course without the internet Miles W Mathis wouldn't have a means to spew to the masses what really happened on Aug 8-9, 1969. LOL good one! That's reading materials for when one has insomnia. |
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Post by prudence on Jun 30, 2017 18:43:44 GMT -5
I suppose its like anything else that is affected by the Internet: today, you have access to absolutely everything you could ever want about anything....and more. I just wonder of the feeling´s of today´s people, based on how society and values have changed, is any more or less sensitive than that of 20-30-40 years ago? Like, the crime-scene photos of this case have only been made public in the last 10 years, if Im not mistaken? Great question! Anyone?? |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Jul 2, 2017 10:19:48 GMT -5
I suppose its like anything else that is affected by the Internet: today, you have access to absolutely everything you could ever want about anything....and more. I just wonder of the feeling´s of today´s people, based on how society and values have changed, is any more or less sensitive than that of 20-30-40 years ago? Like, the crime-scene photos of this case have only been made public in the last 10 years, if Im not mistaken? I'm sadly not as shocked at anything any longer. Personally believe that seeing so much violence and crime on TV and the internet has desensitized me so some degree, not that I'm not shocked and horrified by those things that do happen, but they can pass through quickly, because there is always another ugly scene the media and public is waiting to pounce on. Most people don't try to get in on the action to save something but rather yank out their cell phones and capture it to upload to social media. Drives me crazy. Like that young girl that was dangling off the Six Flags roller coaster. A few people tried to help and did, most just started filming. |
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Post by tremembe on Jul 2, 2017 11:03:58 GMT -5
I suppose its like anything else that is affected by the Internet: today, you have access to absolutely everything you could ever want about anything....and more. I just wonder of the feeling´s of today´s people, based on how society and values have changed, is any more or less sensitive than that of 20-30-40 years ago? Like, the crime-scene photos of this case have only been made public in the last 10 years, if Im not mistaken? I'm sadly not as shocked at anything any longer. Personally believe that seeing so much violence and crime on TV and the internet has desensitized me so some degree, not that I'm not shocked and horrified by those things that do happen, but they can pass through quickly, because there is always another ugly scene the media and public is waiting to pounce on. Most people don't try to get in on the action to save something but rather yank out their cell phones and capture it to upload to social media. Drives me crazy. Like that young girl that was dangling off the Six Flags roller coaster. A few people tried to help and did, most just started filming. So, by that logic you´re now ´desensitized´ to the Cielo Drive murders? |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Jul 2, 2017 22:34:44 GMT -5
I'm sadly not as shocked at anything any longer. Personally believe that seeing so much violence and crime on TV and the internet has desensitized me so some degree, not that I'm not shocked and horrified by those things that do happen, but they can pass through quickly, because there is always another ugly scene the media and public is waiting to pounce on. Most people don't try to get in on the action to save something but rather yank out their cell phones and capture it to upload to social media. Drives me crazy. Like that young girl that was dangling off the Six Flags roller coaster. A few people tried to help and did, most just started filming. So, by that logic you´re now ´desensitized´ to the Cielo Drive murders? No. Your "logic" theory is flawed in its assumption, basing it what few facts I have actually shared publicly here. |
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Post by tremembe on Jul 2, 2017 22:46:23 GMT -5
So, by that logic you´re now ´desensitized´ to the Cielo Drive murders? No. Your "logic" theory is flawed in its assumption, basing it what few facts I have actually shared publicly here.That´s what I was referring to. |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Jul 3, 2017 5:53:40 GMT -5
No. Your "logic" theory is flawed in its assumption, basing it what few facts I have actually shared publicly here.That´s what I was referring to. Interpret as you will. Things that happened the IN THE PAST IN MORE INNOCENT TIMES are shocking. Today's crimes seem to be less so as we are inundated daily. Don't try to put words in my mouth or reinterpret to fit your definition and the 4 corners of your box. |
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Post by tremembe on Jul 3, 2017 13:52:21 GMT -5
´I'm sadly not as shocked at anything any longer. Personally believe that seeing so much violence and crime on TV and the internet has desensitized me so some degree, not that I'm not shocked and horrified by those things that do happen´That´s what I was referring to. Interpret as you will. Things that happened the IN THE PAST IN MORE INNOCENT TIMES are shocking. Today's crimes seem to be less so as we are inundated daily. Don't try to put words in my mouth or reinterpret to fit your definition and the 4 corners of your box. Nope, I wasn´t interpreting, reinterpreting, defining, boxing or putting words into anyone´s mouth. I was merely enquiring: ´So, by that logic you´re now ´desensitized´ to the Cielo Drive murders?´
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