Post by stranger67 on Apr 29, 2019 14:06:13 GMT -5
Good evening the Team
My research has brought to me as good a conclusion about the Celio Drive causes and motives as I am likely to get and I have turned the spotlight on the less glamourous but equally gruesome Waverly Drive Killings.
I'm certain that Waverly was about money and that only Tex/Manson could have had the plan to commit this crime but why Waverly Drive & the Labiancas?
I just need the connection but I am pretty sure Rosemary's daughter Suzan was involved, I would really appreciate your thoughts on this theory
I attach a link to an article below which I would like to hear your views on, I was particularly taken by Sharon's Mum Doris Tates thoughts who for a kick off said none of it was "Helter Skelter"
"Suzan’s then-boyfriend was a member of the motorcycle gang Straight Satans...."
If Joe Dorgan was a Straight Satan, I've never seen any evidence of that.
I agree Starveigo neither have I , its very frustrating......personally I do not think he was in STRIAGHT Satans M.C but I think more likely involved with Satans Slaves M.C. who are reported as being at Sphan Ranch by Squeaky in her book Reflexion, I checked some of the detail she provides and the biker Droopy and his Knucklehead Harley checks out but who is the Joe she mentions...is it our man Mr Dorgan???..... what she tells us fits but its far from conclusive...
From Reflexion by Lynette Fromme Page 362....."Each of the Bikers was different. Joe was un-married, with a light Prison record and a steady job. L.A. George had a beautiful young wife and a bunch of blonde little kids. Droopy was a Satans Slave, I think his dad was a biker. He had an old Knuckle head that Charlie wanted to buy"
Its sketchy but I have checked out some of the sites which have information about the Straight Satans M.C and cannot find a Joe involved with them.... thats why its possible he was hanging with the Satans Slaves M.C. maybe a prospect? it is very easy to confuse these two separate Biker gangs and this has happened a few times over the years...
Your one of the best researchers on here Starveigo maybe you could turn something up?...…….Anybody?
Last Edit: Apr 29, 2019 16:35:46 GMT -5 by stranger67: Extra information
Just wanted to add it’s my belief the LaBiancas’ murders were as targeted as the 10050 Cielo murders, I just haven’t figured WHY........yet. As always Starviego, thanks for the research you provide for all of us.
Last Edit: May 5, 2019 12:26:16 GMT -5 by prudence
Yeah Thanks Starveigo & Cheers for the thoughts Prudence, I have read that article before but back when I started looking into TLB when I was less informed, i'm glad you directed me back to it
I have read it again a couple of times and it states that Joe Dorgan was a Satans Slave which is inline with my thinking but I would like to know the source, but this maintains the possible connection
The other thing which I picked up in the article was that there is a possibility the Suzan LaBerge & Joe Dorgan were able to access the Labiancas Waverley Drive home when they were not there, i.e the period when Harold True and the students had their parties, is it possible that they met Tex or Charlie around this time in Waverly Drive. I never thought about this before but it overcomes the coincidence of the 2 houses being next door which I always found hard to reconcile.
There is also a link imbedded in the article to the 2nd LaBianca Police report which I think I will have to give some close scrutiny, i'm also gonna order the Alica Statman book as it one I have not read and it has bearing on the Watson/LaBerge relationship and strange goings on at Parole hearings...
Post by hastingspnw on May 22, 2019 13:35:39 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my conclusions are as follows:
1. I agree the LaBiancas were targeted originally for $$, but that night Charlie needed a murder. So he hit a home he'd been in before.
2. I don't think Suzan knew they were going to be murdered, but she knew they were going to break in. That's why she pushed Frank Jr. to stay that weekend. Then when Frank called her Sunday night, she probably realized what had happened. Why else take so long to go pick up your brother? He was barely 2 miles away at the hamburger stand. Wasn't she living in Echo Park?
3. Not sure what Dorgan knew ahead of time, though I believe he had met the family many times before. That's almost a certainty. Thanks to someone on here, I found out that Dorgan and Frank Jr. were on friendly terms prior to Frank's death. Both apparently still badmouthing Suzan (with good cause). My remaining questions:
A. Where was Dorgan when Frank Jr. called? Suzan said, "I have to call Joe." Was he at work? He was living with Suzan and told the police he was unemployed. Was he at a bar? I don't recall the police ever asking him about that, either during the polygraph or general questioning.
B. Why did Suzan not try to call her mother after Frank's call? At least ring the house a couple of times. That would be a natural reaction for a big sister to her brother not being able to get in his house. I will go back and reread the police report, but I was looking for that line of questioning in the transcript...never saw it. May have missed it.
Post by stranger67 on May 22, 2019 15:00:45 GMT -5
Hey Hastings, Thanks very much for the input, we do not see enough of you on here....my thoughts on your points....
1.We agree about the Labiancas being a source of $$$, but I think Suzan wanted them dead to get the Inheritance( which she did & sold the Boat pretty quick I learnt too recently)
2. They delay in Suzan and Dorgan attending the scene is telling indeed, we differ as above, I think she knew they were dead and therefore there was no immediate panic/emergency to get there
3. I can absolutely confirm your information here about Dorgan & Frank Jnr having an ongoing friendship after the Murders and that they both were angry at Suzan, not sure if we have the same source but I got the direct evidence from a very well known TLB Investigator
Possible answers to your questions
A. I think Dorgan may have had a Job so its possible as you say that he was there, not sure about a bar, its sometimes hard to get people on a Bar phone or was he at a Bikers House or a Biker Clubhouse?
B. If Suzan knew they had been killed she would have known there was no point in phoning her Mother
Good call on this Hastings.....Anyone got anything further on the above?
Last Edit: May 24, 2019 12:13:43 GMT -5 by stranger67: Spelling mistakes
Post by hastingspnw on May 24, 2019 13:03:55 GMT -5
Thanks Stranger...one more question: I know Dorgan went on a couple of podcasts with researchers (not sure when). But has he spoken to anyone else? With the 50th coming up, I'm assuming some writers will try for an interview. Anybody here try...I guess I need to listen to the podcast.
movies: If I want to post a video of a Sebring urban archaeological discovery, what do you suggest?
Apr 5, 2019 6:28:13 GMT -5
movies: There is a house near my parents in West Covina,Calif and I noticed it has the address of 1005 AND has a very similar design to the Cielo Dr. house.! I do believe this house was built in 1955ish. I don't think the owners even realize this...
Apr 5, 2019 6:34:56 GMT -5
Christine: Just watched The Haunting of Sharon Tate with Hillary Duff. OMG. I wrote a review, left the link, beware of this piece of crap. Watch at your own risk. You been warned.
Apr 6, 2019 0:36:02 GMT -5