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Post by maudes harold on Aug 6, 2014 23:06:36 GMT -5
I think the grainy quality comes from xerox copies made over and over, before these photos got out to the mass public. I think if you look carefully at the color one you can see how the skin has been punctured-or at least that's how I perceive it.
As for the article--I have not read the whole thing, but enough to know that it was designed to discredit any of the 'real' info that might be true--a classic case of designed disinformation. It is so strikingly erroneous on basic facts, that it renders all other info completed discredited!! I came across it and put it up as an example of :No Sense Makes Sense" so discredit everything. For a slightly more credible look at some of the 'weird' connections, read the 6 Degrees of Charlie article.
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Post by Sib on Aug 7, 2014 10:42:15 GMT -5
always wondered about the "R. Wilson" on the ruler...is it an assistants ruler? Or was it simply close at hand and they needed something for perspective? I know it is not the best shot of her...but she really does not look eight months pregnant...but is that simply because she is lying down on her back? We are making progress in the picture end though...we have come from the Bugs HS with ghost like images..to grainy black and white to finally full colour with good resolution. Now if we can actually get all the pics pertaining to the case that are out there...I would be happy. As for the stab wounds...I think if the the knife was inserted and pulled directly back..you would have a clean "cut" wound...however..I dont think Sharon was sitting still for this and her movement his frenzy attack would account for the wound looking larger. I would think as the knife is pulled out...it would rip and pull at the surrounding flesh as Sharon moved and Tex tried to get the knife out for another blow... leaving more of a wide wound. Hard to tell from the picture at what angle he was at when attacking her...above and striking in a downward motion or straight on...or left or right of her...that make sence? Looks to me like the blade was vertical when it hit her. No expert...but if the knife blade was horizontal...I cant see the defensive wounds on the arm being made that way. A vertical hold would account for the cuts to the arm at least in my head. Wow...got a heachache just re reading this...sorry...
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Post by maudes harold on Aug 7, 2014 12:30:47 GMT -5
I wonder if the ruler wasn't an assistants or something as well.
I have thought for awhile now that Sharon didn't look 8 1/2 months pregnant. I have never had a child but have LOTS of family that have had many!(and come from a long line of labor and delivery nurses) I know that women are generally bigger and the babies 'ride' higher' in the 1st pregnancy. I thought Sharon looked kinda small for 8 1/2 months.
I also know that this is all speculation based on some pics.(I know there's info on cats site related to the dr's report) And I also ask myself what does this mean? Why would they lie? I believe that Sharon purposely hid her pregnancy from Roman for at least the first trimester, so I can see her reasoning for fudging dates.
But if not her, then who would benefit from that lie?
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Post by ayden2000 on Aug 7, 2014 13:08:12 GMT -5
I wonder if the ruler wasn't an assistants or something as well. I have thought for awhile now that Sharon didn't look 8 1/2 months pregnant. I have never had a child but have LOTS of family that have had many!(and come from a long line of labor and delivery nurses) I know that women are generally bigger and the babies 'ride' higher' in the 1st pregnancy. I thought Sharon looked kinda small for 8 1/2 months. I also know that this is all speculation based on some pics.(I know there's info on cats site related to the dr's report) And I also ask myself what does this mean? Why would they lie? I believe that Sharon purposely hid her pregnancy from Roman for at least the first trimester, so I can see her reasoning for fudging dates. But if not her, then who would benefit from that lie? I Think Sharon looked like she almost ready to give birth. I can see no reason for her to lie. |
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Post by Sib on Aug 7, 2014 13:08:15 GMT -5
I cant see anyone benefitting (spelling?) from lying about her being pregnant. Why and who would lie about her condition? What purpose would it serve? What exactly is the "lie" you are seeing here? I must be missing something. I dont think she looks pregnant in the morgue photo...but she sure does in the crime scene pictures.
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Post by maudes harold on Aug 7, 2014 14:48:19 GMT -5
Sib, There are some people who think she was more like early 8 months of pregnancy--can't even tell you where that came from now  I think Sharon was probably the only one who lied about her pregnancy, and that was to Roman in the beginning. Maybe she had to keep that lie going longer to others as well. I really don't know and if Sharon was the ONLY one lying about her dates, then it really is not too important to the crimes. If however, someone else is lying about the dates, that would be interesting. I still think she was kinda small for 8 1/2 months, but we know whats happened before when I think........lol If I had to bet, I'd say she was probably 8 1/2 months, like it's been reported. |
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Post by maudes harold on Aug 7, 2014 14:58:41 GMT -5
I wonder if the ruler wasn't an assistants or something as well. I have thought for awhile now that Sharon didn't look 8 1/2 months pregnant. I have never had a child but have LOTS of family that have had many!(and come from a long line of labor and delivery nurses) I know that women are generally bigger and the babies 'ride' higher' in the 1st pregnancy. I thought Sharon looked kinda small for 8 1/2 months. I also know that this is all speculation based on some pics.(I know there's info on cats site related to the dr's report) And I also ask myself what does this mean? Why would they lie? I believe that Sharon purposely hid her pregnancy from Roman for at least the first trimester, so I can see her reasoning for fudging dates. But if not her, then who would benefit from that lie? I Think Sharon looked like she almost ready to give birth. I can see no reason for her to lie. That's the problem of guessing from pics, but you have actually had a baby, so maybe your guess is more accurate.  Knowing what a sweet soul everyone said Sharon was, and how much she was anticipating her baby, it is really hard to see her on the slab like that and to know what her last moments were like. Ugh! *Sib- and as for the 'death smile' there is another photo at the crime scene where it looks like she has a real smile on her face. These morgue ones, not as much. Ugh! A part of me hopes that smile comes from her release, but others might just say it's a biological mechanism of death. |
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Post by ayden2000 on Aug 10, 2014 3:15:11 GMT -5
Sib, There are some people who think she was more like early 8 months of pregnancy--can't even tell you where that came from now I think Sharon was probably the only one who lied about her pregnancy, and that was to Roman in the beginning. Maybe she had to keep that lie going longer to others as well. I really don't know and if Sharon was the ONLY one lying about her dates, then it really is not too important to the crimes. If however, someone else is lying about the dates, that would be interesting. I still think she was kinda small for 8 1/2 months, but we know whats happened before when I think........lol If I had to bet, I'd say she was probably 8 1/2 months, like it's been reported. Think the rumours started with a DR letter with dates mixed up, but it was a Italian doctor. Some people say she had them fudged to get Roman to come home early. Then what he comes home early and baby does not come along for another few months, possible but i dont buy it. |
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Post by kenneth on Sept 23, 2014 5:31:38 GMT -5
Having lived on a farm, I know what rope burns are. Ms Tate definitely suffered from these type of injuries as well. Google image rope burns and you'll see the kind of damage it causes. I believe it was said Ms Tate was sitting on the floor, probably Indian style, when Watson yanks on the rope causing the two woman to "stand on their tiptoes so as not to strangle". I've never been able to get the image of Sharon Tate suddenly having to literally climb up Abigail Folgers body in her attempt to stand, the rope, looped about her neck two or three times, wripping across her face. Those look to be rope burns to me, especially considering both are horizontal and one above the other.
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Sept 23, 2014 20:03:11 GMT -5
Having lived on a farm, I know what rope burns are. Ms Tate definitely suffered from these type of injuries as well. Google image rope burns and you'll see the kind of damage it causes. I believe it was said Ms Tate was sitting on the floor, probably Indian style, when Watson yanks on the rope causing the two woman to "stand on their tiptoes so as not to strangle". I've never been able to get the image of Sharon Tate suddenly having to literally climb up Abigail Folgers body in her attempt to stand, the rope, looped about her neck two or three times, wripping across her face. Those look to be rope burns to me, especially considering both are horizontal and one above the other. Thanks for the input on the rope, Kenneth, and welcome! |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Sept 23, 2014 20:06:15 GMT -5
Sib, There are some people who think she was more like early 8 months of pregnancy--can't even tell you where that came from now I think Sharon was probably the only one who lied about her pregnancy, and that was to Roman in the beginning. Maybe she had to keep that lie going longer to others as well. I really don't know and if Sharon was the ONLY one lying about her dates, then it really is not too important to the crimes. If however, someone else is lying about the dates, that would be interesting. I still think she was kinda small for 8 1/2 months, but we know whats happened before when I think........lol If I had to bet, I'd say she was probably 8 1/2 months, like it's been reported. Think the rumours started with a DR letter with dates mixed up, but it was a Italian doctor. Some people say she had them fudged to get Roman to come home early. Then what he comes home early and baby does not come along for another few months, possible but i dont buy it. Look at the last photos taken of her a few days before she died outside by the pool. She is very far along. I hate to ponder this, but could this shot have been post-cesarean, after the coroner took her baby so her belly would be smaller? Maybe they did the incision lower so they could protect the upper body's injuries? Kind of a long shot but it just occurred to me. Where is Mother62 when we need her?! |
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Post by Christine on Sept 23, 2014 20:10:43 GMT -5
Was the baby removed???
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Sept 23, 2014 20:22:42 GMT -5
Yes  Nogucchi (sp?) the coroner removed the fetus to examine it instead of leaving it inside her. He determined it was a healthy baby boy near term. The baby was obviously dead and not stabbed, he should have left him inside of Sharon. What could possibly have been the point when the mother had been dead for hours? Baby was buried with her in her arms. |
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Post by Sib on Oct 7, 2014 22:33:01 GMT -5
Having lived on a farm, I know what rope burns are. Ms Tate definitely suffered from these type of injuries as well. Google image rope burns and you'll see the kind of damage it causes. I believe it was said Ms Tate was sitting on the floor, probably Indian style, when Watson yanks on the rope causing the two woman to "stand on their tiptoes so as not to strangle". I've never been able to get the image of Sharon Tate suddenly having to literally climb up Abigail Folgers body in her attempt to stand, the rope, looped about her neck two or three times, wripping across her face. Those look to be rope burns to me, especially considering both are horizontal and one above the other. would those marks then be caused by that sudden motion or sustained pressure from being suspended? what do you think? If she was hung...I can only hope that it was not for any length of time....Tex should be shot just for this move.... |
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Post by kenneth on Oct 16, 2014 8:48:03 GMT -5
It would have been sudden and very painful. You have to experience a rope burn to really know. It was always the palms of my hands, the face, I can only imagine.
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Oct 16, 2014 16:51:45 GMT -5
It would have been sudden and very painful. You have to experience a rope burn to really know. It was always the palms of my hands, the face, I can only imagine. Yikes just thinking about it. Hands/palms are much tougher than the neck. What a terrifying thing to have to go through, rope around your neck. |
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Post by ayden2000 on Oct 17, 2014 0:10:11 GMT -5
Makes you think Tex an Co were at Cielo for a lot longer than they admit.
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Oct 17, 2014 21:37:54 GMT -5
Makes you think Tex an Co were at Cielo for a lot longer than they admit. I've always thought that. It seem to me that they sanitized their version and stuck with it. I just can't believe it happened that fast, especially when no one showed up to stop it after gun shots. I think they were so in their mindset that they weren't watching time. |
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Post by Mrs_Toni on Oct 17, 2014 21:39:52 GMT -5
And that thought is terrifying...can you imagine living through 30 minutes to possibly 4 hours, if you go along with the timelines - as to who went through what? That is the most terrifying thing. I don't doubt that "Sharon went through quite a few changes." That sentence is so opaque and horrifying.
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Post by anton on Oct 19, 2014 12:20:53 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Watson had said that when he returned to the house after taking care of Abigail and Wotchek he noticed for the 1st time that the blonde lady was pregnant
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Nogucchi (sp?) the coroner removed the fetus to examine it instead of leaving it inside her. He determined it was a healthy baby boy near term. The baby was obviously dead and not stabbed, he should have left him inside of Sharon. What could possibly have been the point when the mother had been dead for hours? Baby was buried with her in her arms. 
