Post by katekatekate on Dec 15, 2017 17:22:07 GMT -5
Can we get some love for this movie? I remember watching it on CBS when it premiered way back in 2004 just for entertainment value. Didn't know much about the murders back then.
It takes the point of view of Linda Kasabian instead of the family or the victims. I really thought Jeremy Davies did an incredible job playing Manson. He should have won an Emmy! What's so strangely coincidental is that there is a Davies Drive right near Cielo Drive. So weird.
I've easily found the movie on YouTube if you guys haven't seen it already. If you want, I could message you the link to watch if I can find it again (and if I can figure out how to DM you, I'm new here).
It was ok, but for us who have been involved awhile, nothing special, to me anyway. I still prefer 1976 Helter Skelter. More facts as the entire story went, and Steve Railsback had the look and nailed Manson, if anybody could, IMO
I think, with respect to Jeremy Davis, he clearly (as evidenced by the extensive behind the scenes footage of him rehearsing found on the home video dvd release) put a lot of time and effort into his characterization of Manson.
For me, overall, though, the weaknesses of Helter Skelter 2004 outweighed the things I enjoyed about it.
First off, Bruno Kirby cast as Vincent Bugliosi? That choice just didn't work. Kirby's New York accent - even though he was trying to tone it down - was still too thick.
Overall, even though Helter Skelter 2004 certainly wasn't a scene by scene rehash of Helter Skelter 1976, for me it certainly WAS a case of the 2004 version having nothing new to say. Much like the endless amount of Dateline Specials on the case. And there have been how many docudrama made for tv flicks on the Manson case now? And virtually all of them are just the same conventional, mainstream press approaches to the events regurgitated ad nauseum.
Helter Skelter 2004 had no particular purpose other than picking yet another bit of low hanging fruit for a guaranteed amount of ratings. It was sort of along the lines of when Tom Snyder interviewed Manson in...1981, I think it was. For the next ten years after Snyder, everybody from Geraldo Rivera to Charlie Rose to Ron Reagan Junior (!?) to various local California news channel reporters took their turn in the interview chair with Manson.
I also remember thinking in 2004 when the Davies Helter Skelter tv movie was aired after I watched it, just...why? What was it that motivated whomever the driving force(s) behind the production were, in terms of the interest level. In other words, why did they want to make a Helter Skelter tv movie in 2004 when "they" (the director, screenwriters, etc.) had nothing new to say about the subject that hadn't already been more than amply covered in hundreds or thousands of newspaper articles, books, documentaries and movies in the years 1969 to 2003? Beyond just the mere fact that a Manson program was a guaranteed ratings getter, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming the producers, director and screenplay writers had some interest beyond money or just merely regurgitating the work of all the authors, reporters and filmmakers from the 35 years prior to their version. In the end, Helter Skelter 2004 for me was just a bit "meh".
Christine: time flies pappy
Jul 4, 2020 21:36:27 GMT -5
paulhart: Hi Coldwater. I also heard about the attack on Manson by Mike Deasy with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch. Can you tell me where you heard about that incident? I'm trying to track down the original source. Was it Deasy himself? Was it in a book? Thanks, Paul
Jul 16, 2020 8:12:22 GMT -5
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Jul 26, 2020 15:43:40 GMT -5
swennync: Leslie Van Houten okayed for Parole again. What will Gavin Blewsome do?
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Pappy: How dare you rag on my beloved Gov. Newsolini......
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maudes harold: Gruesome Newsom will re-open his winery and extend the hours:Ubers available for your "Not In My Backyard" ride home!!
Jul 26, 2020 21:13:01 GMT -5
maudes harold: Props to Lt. Daniel McWilliam, firefighter and flag bearer during 9/11. We remember.
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2RGJ: @ swennync: Thanks...looking forward to contributing, but feel a bit of a novice when looking through this site!
Jul 29, 2020 17:00:43 GMT -5
swennync: 2RGJ- So did I Brah. Don't sweat it, though. There's alot of cool people here. And it's become clear to me that when it comes to this case, there is no clearcut "Correct" or "Incorrect". Dive on in.
Jul 29, 2020 17:11:58 GMT -5
movies: Jay Sebring : Cutting to the Truth, due out in Sept. 22, 2020
Aug 4, 2020 5:17:58 GMT -5
movies: are there any estate/ probate documents for jay sebring?
Aug 4, 2020 5:43:23 GMT -5
vickie: I wanted to use this opportunity to share with you guys how sad this date makes me! However, we can celebrate the wonderful lives each one shared. Their memories live on in our hearts and minds. May each victim rest on in perfect peace. Take care everyone.
Aug 8, 2020 21:10:37 GMT -5
swennync: 51 years ago today.
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